Public Project Meeting - May 06, 2021

Continuing the series of bi-weekly public project meetings, here is the timeline of the meeting held on May 06, 2021,5:30 PM CET. (Below times are on IST)

Meetings are held on the #selenium-tlc channel on Selenium Slack.

Simon Stewart 9:01 PM

Alright then. It’s time

9:02

@AutomatedTester, @titusfortner @p0deje, @jimevans, @harsha509, @barancev, @Puja Jagani, and @diemol (plus anyone else who’s interested)

Let’s get the show on the road

9:02 PM

I think we can wait for @diemol to be back for the stats for the past couple of weeks

Any agenda items?

9:03 PM

• Stats
• What do we want in Beta 4?
• When do we ship Beta 4?

Diego Molina 9:03 PM

Here, quick meeting with my manager done

David Burns 9:04 PM

Managers are the worst…

Simon Stewart 9:04 PM

hands over meeting reigns to @diemol

Diego Molina 9:04 PM

Stats from previous meeting:

• 157 open issues,
• 25 open pull requests
• Current: 163 open issues, 30 open pull requests

Data taken from this link[https://www.diemol.com/github-repo-stats/seleniumhq_selenium/index.html]

David Burns 9:05 PM

A lot of those are from @Puja Jagani

9:05 PM

she has been busy

Simon Stewart 9:06 PM

She’s been rocking it

Diego Molina 9:06 PM

the issues or the PRs?

9:07

Right, work that we want for the next beta (4)

(I could not contribute that much during the last two weeks :confused:)

9:08 PM

These are items from the last meeting:

• Pipe VNC connectors through the WebSocket plumbing for live video
• Investigate: Grid gets stuck when screenshot is taken in a terminated session
• Investigate: Grid gets stuck when the browser driver process cannot be killed
• Investigate: Router request timeouts when forwarding command to Node
• Unify new Session Queue
• Stress test the new Grid on AWS or similar with >50 simultaneous tests
• Check that the Redis/JDBC backed services actually function
• More than 1 IE session per Node? https://github.com/SeleniumHQ/selenium/issues/9388

Maybe only this one got done? “Unify new Session Queue”

Simon Stewart 9:08 PM

I’d like to add:

• Distributor follows spec when allocating new sessions

David Burns 9:08 PM

Do we have issues/docs on the investigate stuff?

Simon Stewart 9:08 PM

Yeah. We unified the new session queue

9:09 PM

I’ve a PR in the works for the “follow the spec” bit

David Burns 9:09 PM

for the last item about IE… we can allow that to happen but it seems like a major footgun

Diego Molina 9:10 PM

There are issues for the investigation items, and maybe there is a PR from @Puja Jagani solving the “browser driver process cannot be killed” one

I will double check that all items have a GitHub issue, and if not, I will create one

David Burns 9:12 PM

thank you

Diego Molina 9:14 PM

For language bindings we had this:

Language bindings

• “se:cdpVersion” is missing in C#, Java and JS
• Can all bindings do CDP over Grid
• Document features and double check all bindings implement all features

Saksham Gupta 9:14 PM

Hello all, been a year since I started my internship. Thought I’ll drop by to say hi.

Simon Stewart 9:15 PM

Java should be doing se:cdpVersion now

David Burns 9:15 PM

@harsha509 do you need a hand with the cdpVersion stuff for JS?

Simon Stewart 9:16 PM

I think we need to review what’s in the python bindings that’s not elsewhere: my impression is that there’s been a few things added

David Burns 9:17 PM

@simonstewart only 1 thing which is mobile options

Simon Stewart 9:17 PM

kk

Sri Harsha 9:17 PM

Yes @AutomatedTester, i have been busy with paid work, didnt got a chance to look into it

Diego Molina 9:17 PM

what are mobile options?

David Burns 9:17 PM

@diemol the ability to set android* config better

you could do it before but I made it a little nicer after a request from whimboo

9:18 PM

I actually want to change it to support iOS better

Diego Molina 9:18 PM

Nice!

David Burns 9:19 PM

but it means you can create a normal chrome/firefox options and pass it through to the driver to connect to said browser on android :+1: 1

9:20 PM

you could before if you knew the magic for it

Diego Molina 9:20 PM

Something else we need to figure out is how to release the IDE, given that @Todd Tarsi is helping us and contributing to it

9:20 PM

does anyone know about it?

Simon Stewart 9:20 PM

Who did the last release? @corevo, I thought

9:20 PM

?

David Burns 9:21 PM

I think it was him. I will email him and Dave for guidance here

Diego Molina 9:21 PM

great, thank you

and I have one last thing from my side

I have spoken to @Puja Jagani and asked her if she is interested in becoming a committer Therefore, I have created this PR https://github.com/SeleniumHQ/seleniumhq.github.io/pull/679 Folks, please go an check it out

I think she has done so much great work and without her we would not have moved at the speed we are currently moving :slightly_smiling_face:

Puja Jagani

Thank you David, Diego and Simon for the constant support and help :relaxed: Very happy working with the Selenium TLC folks!

Simon Stewart 9:25 PM

I’m onboard with this

Diego Molina 9:25 PM

(there is probably a shorter way to say what I said, but my English is no bueno sometimes)

David Burns 9:26 PM

+1 but I am biased :smile:

Diego Molina 9:26 PM

We simply need PR approvals :slightly_smiling_face:

Titus Fortner 9:27 PM

Sorry, I’m showing up late. :slightly_smiling_face:

Did we get the blockers for beta 4?

Have a couple bug fixes that would be nice to get released

Simon Stewart 9:27 PM

@diemol’s in charge here

Diego Molina 9:28 PM

No @titusfortner, sorry. I think we need to improve with PR reviews in the next days so we can get closer to beta 4

9:28 PM

I believe you are talking about the JUnit issue?

Sri Harsha 9:29 PM

i will update few things in ide stuff, electron version bump and updating rules_nodejs

Titus Fortner 9:29 PM

No, that’s a different issue :slightly_smiling_face:

Diego Molina 9:30 PM

Which issues did you have in time?

9:30 PM

in mind*

Titus Fortner 9:32 PM

some fixes in Ruby code

9:32 PM

just wanted to get stuff out there sooner if that’s an option

Simon Stewart 9:33 PM

We’ve yet to agree when we want to ship beta4, so there’s probably time

9:34 PM

Unless you want the fixes to be blockers

Titus Fortner 9:35 PM

I mean, Alex changed something that was blocking someone and I’m wondering when we can get it released to him :smile:

Simon Stewart 9:36 PM

Ah! So you want the release sooner :slightly_smiling_face:

Titus Fortner 9:36 PM

9:36 PM

apparently there is a project that refuses to look at firstMatch values

Sri Harsha 9:36 PM

For JS i want to:

• Implement “se:cdpVersion”
• API documentation for beta 4

Simon Stewart 9:37 PM

@titusfortner I have no idea how a project not following the spec is a reason for us to ship sooner, but I assume there’s context I’m missing….

David Burns 9:37 PM

is this appium?

Titus Fortner 9:40 PM

A Watir user is using aerokube/ggr

Ruby code defaults to F/M, but the project doesn’t accept it (https://github.com/aerokube/ggr/issues/314)

He asked the devs and their private reply: Ggr does not support “sophisticated” selenium “match” rules and we do not plan to implement that, because it is ambiguous

So Ruby changed default implementation to be A/M since it *shouldn’t matter but apparently does

just trying to help the user

Simon Stewart 9:41 PM

It’s the exact opposite of ambiguous

Titus Fortner 9:41 PM

oh, I know

9:41 PM

if this had been a public response i’d have been all over it

Simon Stewart 9:41 PM

WE should probably have a chat with the Aerokube folks

9:42 PM

Because Se4 will break them a lot

Titus Fortner 9:42 PM

The suggestion I got is either to try their new product: aerokube.com/moon or do not use ggr and go with selenium.

Simon Stewart 9:43 PM

So moon supports the w3c payload but not ggr?

Titus Fortner 9:44 PM

that’s what it sounds like

David Burns 9:44 PM

Aerokube… the group that bad mouths selenium… that aerokube?

Titus Fortner 9:44 PM

I don’t know what ggr vs moon is, didn’t get too deep into it

Simon Stewart 9:45 PM

Moon is their paid-for product.

Titus Fortner 9:45 PM

ah of course it is

you want fancy, you pay the money!

s/fancy/sophisticated

Simon Stewart 9:45 PM

A perfectly valid business model

David Burns 9:45 PM

In which they they tell everyone that selenium grid is useless

9:46 PM

I’m happy to help those that don’t bad mouth us

Difference of opinion is also fine

9:47 PM

But… *channels his inner @jimevans *

Titus Fortner 9:47 PM

I don’t remember off hand which bindings default to A/M and which to F/M

9:47 PM

I was going to run some tests

Diego Molina 9:50 PM

I think we should not hurry for a project that does not support standards

Titus Fortner 9:51 PM

I don’t care about them

9:51 PM

I care about a user who needs to change because of them

Diego Molina 9:51 PM

Anyway, I think those were all the topics we had :slightly_smiling_face:

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